Protection of Polish Regions Water Source

The Polish city of Imielin is located in southern Poland beside the  Dziećkowice Reservoir, a beautiful man-made lake used by locals and tourists for a broad range of recreational activities, including sailing competitions, fishing, swimming and sunbathing on sandy beaches.

Dziećkowice Reservoir also supplies drinking water to Imielin and communities across the Silesia region. It is therefore vital that Imielin was served by an effective and reliable sewerage system offering the highest level of environmental protection.

The city also sits in a region that has been subject to extensive coal mining over many years, causing damage to the terrain, including subsidence. Between 2006-2019, Imielin implemented a comprehensive vacuum sewage system as part of a multi-phase construction process. A total of 60 km of vacuum lines were built and more than 1,000 vacuum valves installed. Flovac Polska was an integral partner in the project, supplying vacuum valves, vacuum station equipment and a propriety cable monitoring system.

“Operating any sewage system involves challenges, but the task is easier when you are working with a reliable partner like Flovac Polska sp. z.o.o. We know we can always count on the company’s help in terms of design, implementation and operation”.

Marek Jędrysik, President/CEO Miejska Spółka Komunalna

Why Flovac’s solution was chosen

Imielin is characterised by flat and mining-damaged terrain, as well as difficult ground-water conditions. Given these challenges, the city recognised that Flovac’s vacuum sewerage system offered a cost-effective solution, in part because it requires shallow trenches, which cuts construction costs and enables faster deployment.

Environmental protection was also a key factor because vacuum systems operate with negative pressure, ensuring no sewage can leak out (even in the event of a rupture). In addition, this means there are no overflows and rainfall cannot infiltrate

Finally, Flovac’s solution offered reliability and stability (with an inlet system designed to ensure air is always automatically entering the system), as well as easy monitoring and maintenance.

The monitoring of the vacuum system via a cable system (FMS) offers the client stable power and is a great alarm system for activations, pressure and potential failures. Flovac Polska has been a leading developer  in this type of monitoring and can save the client money through ease of operations and reduces risks to the community via fast alerts to the operators.

The results

Flovac’s technology has delivered outstanding reliability to the city and unrivalled protection to the Dziećkowice Reservoir. As a result, Imielin City Council remained fully committed to an investment and implementation process that continued over a 15-year period until completion in 2019.

Smaller scale expansions of the vacuum sewerage system will continue as the Imielin are continues to expand.

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Flovac’s vacuum sewerage system is not only suited to environmentally sensitive regions or challenging terrains. It offers tangible benefits to all manner of new and existing residential developments. For more information, please contact your local office.

The Most Difficult Install Ever, Eretrea Greece

The city of Eretrea in Greece, one of the best known Archaeological sites in the world, has had a much needed upgrade. A Flovac vacuum system has been installed to replace old septic tanks that still serviced the houses in the town.

Two vacuum pump stations were required, as well as 414 collection pits, a cable monitoring system and 28,000 meters of pipework including the house connections. A
vacuum system was chosen due to the difficult ground conditions and the flexibility that the pipework allowed for. A gravity pipe system would require deep trenching and straight lengths of pipe.  Vacuum mains can be installed with full flexibility and can be rerouted around difficult areas.

Difficult Installation

The city was an important city in Ancient Greece beginning at the time of the Bronze Age in the 8th century BC and was a seat of trade,  commerce and education. As the site is still under archaeological excavation it is still common to find artifacts while digging into the ground. We often found evidence of graves, walls, bronze artifacts and perfume bottles. Some more than 2,000 years old. At all times during excavation we were accompanied by two archaeologists and no excavation could take place without them. Once something was found, we would have to stop pipelaying and wait until drawings were done. Permission would then needed be granted from the Central Archaeological Institute to continue, which often took a long time.

We also needed to deal with a water table at 60-70 cm (24 inches). You would think that this close to the sea that it would be salt water but no, it was clear sweet fresh water. At 90 cm (36 inches) there is a hard crust which when perforated allowed salt water to ingress.

A very difficult but a very rewarding project.

New Vacuum Sewer Project in Portugal

A new Flovac vacuum sewer system is being installed in the towns of Arazede and Liceia in the municipality of Montemor-o-Velho in Portugal.

Our client ABMG – Águas do Baixo Mondego e Gândara the main water and wastewater utility for the region has made a video showing the installation which can be seen here.

One vacuum pump station will serve over 230 house connections.  Over 12 km of PEAD PN 10 vacuum mains are being installed in the ground sized from 110 to 200mm. All the Flovac collection Pits are fitted out and tested prior to delivery to the project office.

Grupo MMPS who are doing the installation are the Flovac representative in Portugal and have completed a number of vacuum sewer projects making them the most experienced vacuum sewer company in Portugal and a key reason for them being awarded the project.

The critical reason why vacuum was chosen for the project was for the protection of groundwater. Knowing that sewage could not leak out of the piping network was a key driver for the install.

More than 170 vacuum collection pits with Flovac valves (FV80 Vacuum Valve DN3″) were installed into this old community which dates back nearly 1,000 years. #Válvula de Vácuo FV80.

Sheltering Sewers from the Rain

Pacific Northwest community optimizes its vacuum sewer system with cutting-edge telemetry monitoring

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Making the switch from a purely septic-based wastewater handling model to a publicly owned and operated vacuum sewer system solved problems for the small community of Miles Crossing, Oregon. It also brought unforeseen inflow and infiltration issues.

Rain events revealed the need for tracking down operational overload issues in the system, which could only effectively be accomplished via automation tools. Retrofitting a monitoring system has given the district’s operators a real-time view of their system, potential sources of I&I, and a means to protect the mechanical health of this key community infrastructure investment.

Below sea level

The Miles Crossing Sanitary District is fairly new, incorporated when the community decided to shift from private septic systems to a public sewer system. The decision to convert the community — home to a population of approximately 800 — was based upon several factors:

 The town’s topography — situated on Youngs Bay, between the Youngs River and the Lewis and Clark River, is completely flat with elevation from 1 to 10 feet below sea level.

 Dikes are situated between properties to prevent them from going underwater during high tide or rain events.

 The high-water table was causing the area to experience a rapidly rising number of septic system failures, affecting groundwater quality.

The district opted for an vacuum sewer system versus a traditional gravity system. The latter would not have been feasible due to the depths required for installation combined with high-water table levels. The vacuum system implementation process, which cost the community approximately $4 million, began in 2000 and was fully in service by 2010. It comprises 372 gravity pit connections (323 of these being residential), and a single pump station that receives the entire flow from 7.25 miles of vacuum mainline. From the pump station, two 75 hp pumps move the effluent 1.75 miles under Youngs Bay to the town of  Astoria, Oregon, for treatment.

Not quite right

On normal, dry days, Miles Crossing would pump an average of 36,000 gallons per day; but during rain events, that would jump dramatically, sometimes by more than 150,000 gallons. Unlike a traditional system where I&I can exist between joints, cracks in manholes or other conveyance structures, a vacuum system is closed. Brandon Smith, pump station operator, and Carl Gifford, superintendent for the Miles Crossing Sanitary Sewer District, suspected stormwater was entering the system.

“One of the biggest challenges with a system like this is that not only do we not want the stormwater — the system simply cannot handle it indefinitely — but since we don’t handle our own treatment, we were sending extra effluent to Astoria that created extra costs,” Smith says. “Our job became finding out where that excess water was entering the system, and then correcting it.”

Gifford and Smith learned that when the system was put in place, contractors had taken each line that was tied into the property’s existing septic, severed it, and then tied it into the new vacuum system. On many properties, storm drains and gutters, as well as other forms of outside drainage, had been run into the septic system. The impact of bringing all these lines into the new vacuum system — instead of just the sanitary line — was unknown to the contractors.

These extra tie-ins created an unnecessary burden on the system and the pump station operations, so they needed to be located and removed. The task of finding the sources of these I&I culprits was labor-intensive and slow, so the district began looking for a technology solution that would assist in this discovery process.

Trial and error

As a first attempt, Gifford and Smith utilized individual pit-fire counters. Each time an individual property’s vacuum pit fired, it would trigger an analog or digital display to track the number of firings. This method proved expensive and unreliable as a measurement or pinpointing technique. As they continued to research other solutions, they were contacted by FLOVAC.

FLOVAC had been well established globally in the field of successful vacuum sewer system installations and was seeking connections in the North American market. It was able to offer Miles Crossing a telemetry system that could be connected to each vacuum pit and would deliver the detailed data the district needed to help pinpoint and mitigate its I&I issue.

Each vacuum interface valve or connection has a magnet located inside of the top section of the valve body. The FLOVAC monitoring system works by attaching a special sensor to the valve body to detect the movement of this magnet. It detects each time the valve opens and closes, as well as how long each valve stays open.

Numbers tell all

As vacuum valves tend to fire when 10 gallons of effluent have entered the sump, the volume of flows can be calculated from the number of activations. When an unusually high volume of water enters the sump, the valve will take in a larger quantity of fluid during that one cycle. The district could detect such occurrences by how long the valve stayed open. Depending on how many properties are connected to a single collection pit, they would be able to narrow down the point of infiltration to a small area.

Related: Flood Affected Sewer Systems

With the installation of the FMS, monitoring and telemetry data now lets operators see what the entire system is doing in real time. It allows them to view individual homes and their pits, and provides information on how many times it has fired, and when.

“This is especially helpful during a rain event,” Smith says. “We can see average trends for a property. For example, if a home that normally fires 30 times a day during a weather event starts showing 5,000 fires instead, we know there’s a problem and can deploy immediately to the property while the rain event is still happening to see exactly what’s taking place.”

One big discovery uncovered by monitoring involved a property with a partially collapsed lateral. Although it was functioning sufficiently to serve the home, it had been crushed in some areas. Where it ran from the home under the rock driveway, it was acting like a natural storm drain, pulling water straight from the surface into the sewer system pit. Using CCTV push cameras to inspect and document the line’s condition, the utility team was able to show the property owner the extent of the damage, its effects, and then work with them to develop a plan of action to resolve it.

Subtle adjustments

Normally, the monitoring units are connected to a transmitting antenna that sends data to the central monitoring system wirelessly. Due to the flat terrain and steel manhole covers on the pits, Miles Crossing ran conduit pipe out to a utility pedestal at the roadsides and installed the wireless telemetry equipment there. Everything works wirelessly through the latest Gateway, Bluetooth and LoRaWAN technology and is tied into the district’s SCADA system.

“We can set parameters as far as what we are asking it for, and to send us text messages when there are different alarms. This extra information is especially helpful when we are experiencing a lot of rainfall,” Smith says.

Since its installation, the system has required minimal maintenance. A yearly visual inspection of each valve pit is typically all that has been needed. Rare mishaps can occur, but — due to the very nature of the sealed system’s construction — if things happen, the pumping equipment operation and vacuum attributes make pinpointing issues quick.

Moving forward

Nearly 60{f2ac4d1e1d40dc2e2d9280a1dfa90d854b2d8c80eba743affa37fc4ce2e16def} of the system has been fitted with the telemetry monitoring system, and phase two of the project, a complete system rollout, is commencing shortly.

“By retrofitting the entire system with the FMS, we will know when there’s a problem before the homeowner does,” Gifford says. The monitoring system also provides a high-level float that can alert the operators when a pit begins to have an issue. Now Gifford and Smith can be more proactive versus reactive in keeping the system in peak operating status, while cutting down on field time and hunting down overflows.

With just a little more than half the system being monitored, the district has already seen significant savings in treatment costs, Gifford says.

“The vacuum system was a great solution for this community and now with the telemetry tools, we will have a sustainable, high-performing and affordable sanitary system for our district for generations to come.”

Related: Information about Flovacs Monitoring System

Flovac’s First Project in Botswana

A Flovac vacuum sewerage system has been installed at the site of one of Africa’s most important infrastructure projects, funded by the African Development Fund.

Kazungula Bridge Connecting Countries

The Kazungula Bridge project which is connecting Zambia and Botswana over the Zambezi River will be a 40{1deaea03afbf3f3fb2d45caffee157f5a0ec73dd837732cad8f5061c47eb75db} boost to the GDP of the countries involved as it opens up the regions for trade all the way to the port at Durban.

The Kazungula Bridge is located at the only area in the world where 4 countries meet together. Zambia, Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe. One of the Seven Natural Wonders of the World, the Victoria Falls is located a short 1 hour drive from the project.

As the new Bridge opens up trade and tourism between the four countries it was necessary to set up a new border customs and immigration complex. Zhong Gan, an experienced International engineering and construction company based in Botswana, has done numerous projects for the World Bank and Botswana Government and decided to use a Flovac vacuum sewerage system on this project which services this complex.

Justin Peng the project director of Zhong Gan chose a vacuum sewer as a value engineering proposal to the client as there was a high water table which prevented deep excavations required by the original gravity system proposed. Ensuring that no sewage could overflow to the Zambezi River was also important as the area is home to elephants and others in Africas Big 5.

Installing a Flovac Collection Pit and Valve

Smart Vacuum Sewer System

The Flovac system is the first smart sewer system installed in Botswana which allows the operator to have a complete system overview. The smart system allows the operator to look at the performance of each vacuum valve in the system and independently alert operators to any potential problems.

Mr Peng chose Flovac due to the operator friendly nature of the design and equipment and the overwhelming positive feedback from prior installations that his team visited. The Water Utilities Corporation approved the system who were extremely pleased by the advancement in technology and ease of maintenance compared to other systems that had been installed in Botswana and Southern Africa.

The Flovac Team worked very closely with our local representatives Multi Waste Pty Limited headed by Andrew Davies. Multi Waste are a large domestic company , experts in water, wastewater and energy in Botswana and Southern Africa. Multi waste set up a fabrication plant for the Flovac pits and handled all assembly of the system at their head office in Gaborone prior to delivery to site.

The Multi Waste team will operate and maintain the system for the time being with support from the Flovac International Operations Group via the monitoring system.

 

The Flovac and Multi Waste Design and Install team

 

 

 

 

Helping Hurricane affected communities in the Caribbean

When Hurricane Irma wreaked havoc through the Caribbean Islands in 2017 leaving a trail of destruction, it was clear that many towns would need to be completely rebuild many of their buildings but also their water and sewage infrastructure.

Having already been engaged in other Caribbean countries to install Flovac vacuum sewerage systems the engineers in Grand Case on Saint Martin approached Flovac to see if a vacuum sewerage system would be the best technology for the island.

This area is very flat and has a high water table, which meant that you could not dig more than one meter without finding salt water that would damage a system using gravity piping networks. Until now Grand Case had a network based on septic tanks that was not adequate. After the damage caused by Hurricane Irma, Saint Martin needed urgent repairs and a new, more efficient sanitation system. Work began in Grand Case (Saint Martin)  towards the end of 2019 and it was clear that a vacuum sewerage system was essential in the area.

Shallow Vacuum Main Installation

Often working in narrow streets with other cables and pipes already installed it was clear that a vacuum system was the only system that could be installed with the least amount of impact on the local community. The people of Saint Martin were also very happy to hear that there would be no odors from the system as well as no potential of sewer leaks from the pipes.

As the region had experienced more major storms and hurricanes in recent years it was also important that the system was resilient and would still operate during extended power outages.

Being a remote community with little experience with vacuum sewer technology the local managers and operators were very happy that Flovac installed a monitoring system throughout the network that could be watched and supported by the Flovac operations group in Europe. If there is ever a low vacuum or breakdown, Flovac’s experienced operators could assist.

The main design and installation was handled by Flovac’s project group based out of Barcelona as they had recently installed a system nearby in Canouan. This group, headed by Bruno Galindo and Francisco Rodríguez  is now supporting Saint Martin’s operators.

Grand Case St Martin

Gratulacje Flovac Polska for a new Septic Tank Replacement Scheme

Flovac Polska, the largest designer and supplier of vacuum sewerage systems in Poland has just completed providing a vacuum sewer system for the small rural town of Zakościele. The community is a ribbon development along the Pilica River.

The small town with about 150 houses is located approximately 60 km south east of  Łódź. Some of the houses are located alongside the river and above the road sloping down towards the river. Between the river and the main road, where most of the houses are located, flooding has become a regular occurrence. It has become a health issue with septic tanks overflowing when the flooding occurs.

At first a tender came out for  a gravity system with a number of pump stations located along the rivers edge. When our colleagues from Flovac Polska contacted the town and contractor (designer) about the benefits of a vacuum system in this location, they were very unsure as they had never heard of vacuum system.

After a whole of life costing analysis and discussions with the contractor about the capital costs it was clearly shown that the vacuum system would be a much cheaper option. More importantly a Flovac system was seen as a much better system to install in an area where flooding was a problem.

Read here about how the Flovac Valve can operate under water

Another major benefit of the system is that it is fully monitored, so all of the collection pits and pump station sends data to the central control system and the operators.

This includes a high level alarm and an alarm that warns of any possible infiltration occurring. All of the monitoring equipment is rated at IP68 so that it can operate under water.

This is shown here on a video taken of one of the Flovac valves operating under water with the MZA monitoring device attached. SEE HERE

Poland has become one of largest countries in the world using vacuum sewerage systems and Flovac Polska has designed and installed more than 60 systems, nearly all of which have been septic tank replacement schemes funded by the European Union.

Water Supply and Sewerage in the 21st Century

The City of Marki in Poland, north east of Warsaw and Wodociag Marecki the Utility Company that maintains the water and sewerage systems in Marki City are quite unique.

There is a very close relationship between the utility, the City and Warsaw University of Technology. Over the last ten years they have done a number of concepts, designs and installations using a number of different technologies for specific sight conditions throughout their area. These have included vacuum sewers, gravity sewers, pressure systems and even domestic on-site treatment plants.

Prior to this initiative the City had relied on septic tanks so they wanted to ensure that they used the right technology for the right area and community. What has been tremendous about this effort is the city’s willingness to share their experiences with others around the country. Flovac applauds their efforts in this field and have been very happy to support them.

On a periodic basis seminars have been held to discuss their findings, the most recent of which was recently held in Zegrze near Warsaw.  The seminar was titled (Water Supply and Sewerage in the 21st century) and included representatives from a number of local authorities and utilities from the north east of Poland. Experts were invited to talk on different subjects.

On Vacuum Sewerage Systems the speakers were:

Prof. Dr hab. inż. (prof. PhD Eng) Zbigniew Heidrich – Politechnika Warszawska (Warsaw Univerity of Technology)

Dr inż. (PhD Eng) Marek Kalenik – Szkoła Główna Gospodarstwa Wiejskiego (Warsaw University of Life Science)

Dr inż.  (PhD Eng) Jacek Sobesto – Flovac Polska sp. z o.o.

Dr.inż. (PhD Eng) Grzegorz Stańko – Wodociąg Marecki sp. z o.o.

Dr Jacek Sobesto of Flovac Polska

One of the largest Flovac systems in Poland is based in the City of Marki and has over 800 Flovac valves connecting residents to the vacuum sewer. It has proved to be easy to maintain and well accepted by the community.

Vacuum Pump Station in Marki

Inside the Vacuum Pump Station in Marki

How to Sewer The Water Villages of Kampong Ayer

Kampong Ayer in Brunei’s capital city of Bandar Seri Begawan is a cluster of around 40 small villages connected by a 38-kilometer (23-mile) boardwalk. It dates back more than 600 years. Today, around 13,000 people live in the water village, about 3{f2ac4d1e1d40dc2e2d9280a1dfa90d854b2d8c80eba743affa37fc4ce2e16def} of the country’s population.

These Water Villages are very common throughout South East Asia down as far as PNG which has a large water village just outside of Port Moresby at Hanuabada.

Many of these villages have enormous cultural and historic value to the countries and communities that live in them. They are also major drawcards for tourists with the Kampong Ayer townships in Brunei known as the “venice of the east”

Although some of the houses are now on vacuum sewer networks, many have still not been connected. Historically having raw sewerage drop into the water below only really affected the health of the local population as many of the water people swam or fished in the same water. With the wealth of those living in the villages increasing, more problems have surfaced with detergents entering the waterways, killing off the fish and other local seafood. None of this is good for tourism, especially the odour.

The government has big plans to increase many of the houses serviced but are also finding the structural integrity of many of the houses to be a problem. Imagine laying a length of pipework between houses to pick up the sewage when the house in the middle collapses due to age.

How these houses get serviced is a very complex problem. At one of the water villages in Labuan Malaysia a gravity system was installed but proved to be a failure within a short amount of time.

The pipework sloping to a gravity main below the houses close to the surface of the water was cut many times by local residents as it was impeding the way that many residents got around the area in their boats. For hundreds of years the residents drove their small boats under their houses and around the village. All of a sudden plastic pipes were in the way. A simple solution – cut them.

In 1995 our firm was hired by the Brunei and Australian governments to design and then supply a vacuum sewerage system for two main sections of Kampong Ayer at Bolkiah A and B. The sewerage was collected into sumps pinioned below the walkways to the houses and on average 4 houses was connected to each sump. Vacuum valves were housed in small stainless steel valve boxes attached to the side of the walkways to allow for easy operator access. All of the vacuum mains were laid under the walkways back to land where the vacuum pump station and treatment plant were located.

As the pipework was laid directly under the walkways it was not visible and did not impact on the passage of the residents. The number one lesson for residents was to learn not to use their toilet as a rubbish bin. Initially blockages were common and operators grew frustrated by the number of items thrown into the system. The problem residents were easily found as with only 4 houses connected to a sump, the process of elimination was easy and the residents were educated as to proper use. Modern valve monitoring systems will make this even easier.

Our engineers received an award from the Institute of Engineers Australia for this project. Our operations group still goes to site whenever requested the the government to ensure that the system continues to work well.

The lessons which both our engineers and operators learnt from these projects has enabled us to offer clients great insights in to how best design systems for water villages, resorts and marina’s. If you would like to learn more about other Flovac projects you can read about them here.  FLOVAC PROJECTS

Growing Pains or Growing Old Pains – What best describes your old gravity sewer?

What happens when your sewerage network gets too old? Your old clay pipes have cracked or are filled with roots, every time it rains it seems like its a direct line from the clouds to the Treatment Plant. People in the community start asking why you are spending a load of money on treating rainwater instead of just sewerage.

If you are part of a coastal community it could be worse, your old broken  pipes could be letting seawater into the system every time there is a high tide or major storm. Salt water can cause major problems at the Treatment Plant. For communities like Miami Beach who get storm surges flooding their sewers and closing their beach on an increasingly regular basis it can cause major economic and health risks. Santa Pola in the Alicante area of Spain found that the impact of global warming and rising sea levels caused a complete failure of their old sewer system.

The town of Santa Pola with over 10,000 homes replaced their whole gravity sewer system with a Flovac vacuum sewerage system. As vacuum mains are laid in shallow trenches it was possible to skirt around, above and below exiting infrastructure and eventually replace the network. You can read more about that project here.

It could be that the old gravity sewer system with large heavy pipes just wasn’t suited to the ground conditions that are often found near the coast or in swampy area’s and that over time they no longer have the correct grade to remove the sewage or have pipes that continually break allowing ground water into the system as well as blockages. This occurred at Hope Island on Queensland’s famous Gold Coast.  Gold Coast Council have developed a Master Plan and slowly replaced a number of area’s with vacuum sewers. When the original gravity sewer was laid, there was no choice, developers were racing to put up houses and council at that stage had no experience with vacuum sewers and so deep gravity mains were installed. Almost immediately problems were noticed as the ground subsided in different area’s. Sewage backed up in pipes and was unable to flow as the grades first allowed for in the networks were no longer the same.

When looking at upgrading a gravity sewer, pipe relining can be an option, but in many cases this becomes an ongoing expensive option and be too difficult in a large network. Some utilities just look to replace the old pipework, but in most communities this is just not practical. This could mean uprooted gardens, roads out of use for a number of months, noise, dust and a huge cost.

For many communities it is the size of the town that has changed dramatically over the years. In most cases this has meant an increase in the population as people move from the city to the coast. Developers move into the fringes of the town. Planning regulations change allowing for sub dividing of the old large land blocks or height and density changes. This puts pressure on existing sewers that are already not coping due to age and lack of maintenance. This has happened, not only in small coastal towns but in larger developed cities like Abu Dhabi and New Delhi. Vacuum sewers can be used to supplement the towns aging sewer system, loads can be taken off the main system by a series of collection pits and shallow pipework.

Flovac vacuum sewers have shown time and again, their versatility. This means either their ability to handle density changes or climate changes. It might even mean changes in ground conditions as happened in Christchurch New Zealand when they suffered from a terrible earthquake. The old gravity sewers in the city and surrounding suburbs broke and left residents with no service for months. Vacuum sewers have now replaced a large portion of the gravity sewers in Christchurch and although difficult has proved to be a better long term  solution for the residents and operators. Christchurch systems

Vacuum sewers should not be looked at as the only solution in many of these towns. In some cases a combination of grinder pumps, gravity and vacuum is going to be the better result for the community. Whether the problem is growing pains, or growing old pains a vacuum solution might offer the versatility that you need.